There is a much discussed mention of Arthur in the poem Marwnad Cynddylan ('The Death Song of Cynnddylan') which is about a seventh century king of Pengwern, where it includes the line :
Brodyr a'm bwyad. [Oedd] gwell ban fythyn,
canawon artir fras, dinas dengyn,
This usually translated as:
It was better when they were
the young whelps of great Arthur, the mighty fortress.
'ardir' from the book of LLandaff |
Brodyr a'm bwyad
I had brothers who have gone.
gwell ban fythyn
Better forever in fame
canawon artir fras, dinas dengyn
Were the young whelps on the rich land of the mighty fortress,
[y] rhag Caer Lwytgoed nis digonsyn
against Caer Lwytgoed there was not enough of them..
Better forever in fame
Were the young whelps on the rich land of the mighty fortress
Against Caer Lwytgoed there was not enough of them.
Words:
gwell =better,
ban =lofty, loud
fythyn = fyth yn = forever in
Canawon = whelps
Artir = Ar tir(dir) = upon the land of
fras = rich / broad
dinas = fortress /city
dengyn = mighty / strong
rhag = against,
nis =not
Digonsyn is 'digon' = enough, 'syn = plenty.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Arthur. I am not sure how the original translators got it so wrong or maybe I have? A more poetic version to keep faith with the original rhyme - fythin - dengyn - digonsyn would be:
I had brothers now gone,
Better in fame for all eternity,
Were the whelps in the rich land of fortress mighty,
Before Caer Lwytgoed they were not a plenty.
http://www.kmatthews.org.uk/history/marwnad_cynddylan/dyhedd.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Llandaff
http://digidol.llgc.org.uk/METS/LIB00001/physical?div=134&subdiv=0&locale=en&mode=reference
http://digidol.llgc.org.uk/METS/LIB00001/physical?div=134&subdiv=0&locale=en&mode=reference
Very interesting. I am very interested in the possible connections between the Staffordshire Hoard, which was found a few miles from Caer Luitcoet (Wall in Staffordshire) and the battle mentioned in the poem. The late John Morris was convinced of the poem's historicity. There are strong legendary connections to Arthur in Shropshire, especially around Mitchell's Fold stone circle where he is supposed to have extracted the sword from the stone
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info, i live in the usa. My Page Family is from shropshire. 1256 c William Page and Wife Amice. We have been DNA Tested, we are of Celtic Decent, there is Page Family still living there today. This info helps me understand more about my family. I thought king Arthur was celtic, i have always been interested in Medevil period history, now i know why. Even before the dna testing i could feel it in my bones.
ReplyDeleteMark, you're ancestors were descended from the Carolingian Franks.
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